Comments on: The Real Reasons Why Hargrove Was Retained http://prospectinsider.wordpress.com/2006/09/29/the-real-reasons-why-hargrove-was-retained/ Thu, 12 Jul 2007 02:20:17 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: StandinPat http://prospectinsider.wordpress.com/2006/09/29/the-real-reasons-why-hargrove-was-retained/#comment-6598 StandinPat Tue, 03 Oct 2006 05:38:23 +0000 http://prospectinsider.wordpress.com/2006/09/29/the-real-reasons-why-hargrove-was-retained/#comment-6598 Oh and "For all the Everett bashing, what has Snelling done thats any better?" How about having a .787 vs a .657 OPS all why being able to play a defensive position, being young with alot of upside and costing almsot 3 mil less? Any of those work for you? How about the fact that he wasnt Carl Everett!!!!! Oh and “For all the Everett bashing, what has Snelling done thats any better?”

How about having a .787 vs a .657 OPS all why being able to play a defensive position, being young with alot of upside and costing almsot 3 mil less? Any of those work for you?

How about the fact that he wasnt Carl Everett!!!!!

]]> By: StandinPat http://prospectinsider.wordpress.com/2006/09/29/the-real-reasons-why-hargrove-was-retained/#comment-6596 StandinPat Tue, 03 Oct 2006 05:20:50 +0000 http://prospectinsider.wordpress.com/2006/09/29/the-real-reasons-why-hargrove-was-retained/#comment-6596 Edman are you kidding me? Lopez out played Vina, when Vina played which was almsot none. Vina didnt even make the team so Hargrove's only other choice would have been Bloomquist, but I guess you would have had to pay attention to notice that. I never cried over Choo or jones, just merely used them to prove that Hargrove wont let a young player develop. Its pretty simple really. Any young player that Hargrove wasnt forced into using, or that didnt immediately start producing at an above avg major league level he basically wrote off. Its not really that hard to realize, well for some people maybe. Hey and where in his two years of letting Reed "develop" did he give him a consitent chance to hit against lefties, or anyone for that matter? After Reed changed his stance and started to show some power, Hargrove started messing with his starts even more! How does any young player, especially one trying to find consistency, find said consitentcy when he is in and out of the line up more than Kid Rock in Pam Anderson? Oh but we dont want to look at that do we? Lets use the example of a 2nd baseman with no real backup who had an all star first half out of the gate as our example. Well if all our young players had All star seasons in their first full season, than yeah Hargorve probably would play them all the time, and we prob would have made the playoffs, unfortunately thats not reality. Lastly you still havent defended the fact that these other "young" players you mentioned A had no backups, and B all had prior major league success.....WTF? Edman are you kidding me? Lopez out played Vina, when Vina played which was almsot none. Vina didnt even make the team so Hargrove’s only other choice would have been Bloomquist, but I guess you would have had to pay attention to notice that.

I never cried over Choo or jones, just merely used them to prove that Hargrove wont let a young player develop. Its pretty simple really. Any young player that Hargrove wasnt forced into using, or that didnt immediately start producing at an above avg major league level he basically wrote off. Its not really that hard to realize, well for some people maybe.

Hey and where in his two years of letting Reed “develop” did he give him a consitent chance to hit against lefties, or anyone for that matter? After Reed changed his stance and started to show some power, Hargrove started messing with his starts even more! How does any young player, especially one trying to find consistency, find said consitentcy when he is in and out of the line up more than Kid Rock in Pam Anderson? Oh but we dont want to look at that do we? Lets use the example of a 2nd baseman with no real backup who had an all star first half out of the gate as our example. Well if all our young players had All star seasons in their first full season, than yeah Hargorve probably would play them all the time, and we prob would have made the playoffs, unfortunately thats not reality.

Lastly you still havent defended the fact that these other “young” players you mentioned A had no backups, and B all had prior major league success…..WTF?

]]> By: Jason A. Churchill http://prospectinsider.wordpress.com/2006/09/29/the-real-reasons-why-hargrove-was-retained/#comment-6595 Jason A. Churchill Tue, 03 Oct 2006 04:44:32 +0000 http://prospectinsider.wordpress.com/2006/09/29/the-real-reasons-why-hargrove-was-retained/#comment-6595 I think LAD or SD has a great shot, which is sad. Neither team could beat Texas in a five-game series. I'll take a repeat of the 81 series. I think LAD or SD has a great shot, which is sad. Neither team could beat Texas in a five-game series.

I’ll take a repeat of the 81 series.

]]> By: cujo http://prospectinsider.wordpress.com/2006/09/29/the-real-reasons-why-hargrove-was-retained/#comment-6594 cujo Tue, 03 Oct 2006 04:40:03 +0000 http://prospectinsider.wordpress.com/2006/09/29/the-real-reasons-why-hargrove-was-retained/#comment-6594 I agree with that statement the first one proably will never come.I no Bohn isnt a legit ML player but he has played there and might end up being someones 5th outfielder someday.So he does count for something being he was a 30th rounder.That scout deserves a BEER !Also until they learn to cut ties with the local heroes routine and run it like a baseball club there will allways be someone hanging on 2-3 years to long.Playoffs tommorow i got the yanks and padres in the series how about you.? I agree with that statement the first one proably will never come.I no Bohn isnt a legit ML player but he has played there and might end up being someones 5th outfielder someday.So he does count for something being he was a 30th rounder.That scout deserves a BEER !Also until they learn to cut ties with the local heroes routine and run it like a baseball club there will allways be someone hanging on 2-3 years to long.Playoffs tommorow i got the yanks and padres in the series how about you.?

]]> By: Jason A. Churchill http://prospectinsider.wordpress.com/2006/09/29/the-real-reasons-why-hargrove-was-retained/#comment-6591 Jason A. Churchill Tue, 03 Oct 2006 02:42:41 +0000 http://prospectinsider.wordpress.com/2006/09/29/the-real-reasons-why-hargrove-was-retained/#comment-6591 Bohn is not a legit big leaguer, so let's not use him as an example, but anyone here who thinks Gillick wasn't good at his job is blind. But he did leave the M's without a chance in hell to win, but that was far from his fault. Blame Chuck and Howie and there "we can't ever get rid of our guys, even when they can't play anymore" approach to baseball in Seattle. The day Bavasi's club wins a playoff game is the FIRST time he has something in common with Gillick, other than being a human being and holding a GM spot. Bohn is not a legit big leaguer, so let’s not use him as an example, but anyone here who thinks Gillick wasn’t good at his job is blind.

But he did leave the M’s without a chance in hell to win, but that was far from his fault. Blame Chuck and Howie and there “we can’t ever get rid of our guys, even when they can’t play anymore” approach to baseball in Seattle.

The day Bavasi’s club wins a playoff game is the FIRST time he has something in common with Gillick, other than being a human being and holding a GM spot.

]]> By: cujo http://prospectinsider.wordpress.com/2006/09/29/the-real-reasons-why-hargrove-was-retained/#comment-6590 cujo Tue, 03 Oct 2006 02:33:29 +0000 http://prospectinsider.wordpress.com/2006/09/29/the-real-reasons-why-hargrove-was-retained/#comment-6590 If im not mistaken Gillick brought Bob Engle to the mariners.It sure seems like he has brought a bunch of good players out of latin america.Maybe old stand pat wasnt so bad .What year was Bohn drafted.Also i did forget Jiminez and fruto earlier man i bet that stacks up magainst alot of clubs in baseball with guys signed reaching the ML. If im not mistaken Gillick brought Bob Engle to the mariners.It sure seems like he has brought a bunch of good players out of latin america.Maybe old stand pat wasnt so bad .What year was Bohn drafted.Also i did forget Jiminez and fruto earlier man i bet that stacks up magainst alot of clubs in baseball with guys signed reaching the ML.

]]> By: Jason A. Churchill http://prospectinsider.wordpress.com/2006/09/29/the-real-reasons-why-hargrove-was-retained/#comment-6589 Jason A. Churchill Tue, 03 Oct 2006 01:16:18 +0000 http://prospectinsider.wordpress.com/2006/09/29/the-real-reasons-why-hargrove-was-retained/#comment-6589 I disagree that Gillickleft the farm system in good standing, buit it certainly wasn't bare. Look at the 2003 draft now... Adam Jones, Ryan Feierabend, Eric O'Flaherty... not bad at all and all three might be 25-man roster members next year. I even made the mistake of ripping the drafts of Pat/Roger/Frank, without pointing out that 03 was pretty decent. I disagree that Gillickleft the farm system in good standing, buit it certainly wasn’t bare. Look at the 2003 draft now…
Adam Jones, Ryan Feierabend, Eric O’Flaherty… not bad at all and all three might be 25-man roster members next year.

I even made the mistake of ripping the drafts of Pat/Roger/Frank, without pointing out that 03 was pretty decent.

]]> By: gwangung http://prospectinsider.wordpress.com/2006/09/29/the-real-reasons-why-hargrove-was-retained/#comment-6588 gwangung Tue, 03 Oct 2006 01:13:12 +0000 http://prospectinsider.wordpress.com/2006/09/29/the-real-reasons-why-hargrove-was-retained/#comment-6588 <i> All these guys you’re crying over, had one thing in common….they NEVER showed, stint length or not, that they were ready to take over a position. Again, it’s up to the rookies to EARN a spot, not Hargroves to let his team sink lower, just so kids can get experience. </i> I'd take this more seriously if a) players like Choo got more than 11 at bats a year, and b) there was cognizance that short term thinking can hamper long term gains. All these guys you’re crying over, had one thing in common….they NEVER showed, stint length or not, that they were ready to take over a position. Again, it’s up to the rookies to EARN a spot, not Hargroves to let his team sink lower, just so kids can get experience.

I’d take this more seriously if a) players like Choo got more than 11 at bats a year, and b) there was cognizance that short term thinking can hamper long term gains.

]]> By: cujo http://prospectinsider.wordpress.com/2006/09/29/the-real-reasons-why-hargrove-was-retained/#comment-6587 cujo Tue, 03 Oct 2006 01:02:29 +0000 http://prospectinsider.wordpress.com/2006/09/29/the-real-reasons-why-hargrove-was-retained/#comment-6587 No reply about the farm players ben? No reply about the farm players ben?

]]> By: Edman http://prospectinsider.wordpress.com/2006/09/29/the-real-reasons-why-hargrove-was-retained/#comment-6583 Edman Mon, 02 Oct 2006 21:32:54 +0000 http://prospectinsider.wordpress.com/2006/09/29/the-real-reasons-why-hargrove-was-retained/#comment-6583 Soooooooooooo, StandingPat.......managers aren't responsible for player use, the GM is, because he puts the roster together? Yeah, right. Hmmmm, seems to me, Hargrove could have, if he truly loved veterans, given second to Vina. It's Lopez' job to EARN a spot on the roster, not Hargroves for making him one. All these guys you're crying over, had one thing in common....they NEVER showed, stint length or not, that they were ready to take over a position. Again, it's up to the rookies to EARN a spot, not Hargroves to let his team sink lower, just so kids can get experience. Soooooooooooo, StandingPat…….managers aren’t responsible for player use, the GM is, because he puts the roster together? Yeah, right.

Hmmmm, seems to me, Hargrove could have, if he truly loved veterans, given second to Vina. It’s Lopez’ job to EARN a spot on the roster, not Hargroves for making him one.

All these guys you’re crying over, had one thing in common….they NEVER showed, stint length or not, that they were ready to take over a position. Again, it’s up to the rookies to EARN a spot, not Hargroves to let his team sink lower, just so kids can get experience.

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