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2007 Prospect Rankings: 41-50

Posted by Jason A. Churchill on January 8, 2007

This year, instead of actually trying to rank those talents after the top 20, I decided that grouping them together and letting anyone and everyone debate who belongs where is a much better idea.

In the coming days and weeks, I will release three sets of prospects graded out in a particular rank range, but each will be without a specific ranking.

It’s difficult enough to get the proper opinions on these players, let alone enough of it to combine with my own system to formulate a well thought out, somewhat accurate analysis and ranking within the Seattle Mariners farm system, which is the reason for the change.

I do still believe in the value of ranking the best of the bunch and will rank those in the top 20, but after that it’s just about who has the potential to do what, who can make an impact and what the risks are in each case. Attempting to rank 30 additional minor leaguers that are typically between the ages of 16 and 22 and sometimes have less than a year’s experience in the states, if any at all, is fruitless in my mind.

So, in the spirit of the way Dave Cameron at USSMariner does his Future Forty, 21-50 will not be slotted.

The top 20, however, will not change from year’s past, except a few new additions to the grading categories and a tinker in the formatting of the analysis.

You’ll still be reading thoughts from scouts, coaches, analysts and managers on all of the top 50, but the bottom 30 will be much more simple, concise and to the point.

The top 20 will be much more inclusive and in-depth and is currently still being finalized, but it too will hopefully read as a more focused, aphoristic dissection of the M’s current farm system.

Nos 41-50There aren’t many true prospects in this group, but I did want to be thorough and mention as many as I could, time and energy permitting.There are a few that I did not mention that could be tossed into this group, most notably the rest of those that signed this past July.Luis Nunez, 2B – Nunez, who just turned 20, will have short leash on his prospect life. At 5-11 and 175 pounds, he’s stuck at second base, where his glove is solid, but unspectacular. He does possess decent plate skills, as his 23-23 K/BB ratio suggests.Nunez bats strictly right-handed and has above-average speed, but needs polish on base-stealing abilities. He swiped 21 bases in 29 attempts in the DSL this past summer. His overall numbers, .326/.406/.411, aren’t anything to write home about, but Nunez is a decent enough table-setter to keep an eye on as he breaks into the U.S. in 2007.

He’ll need to get stronger physically and show he can hit the gaps – 13 extra-base hits in 221 PAs isn’t going to translate well against the superior pitching he’ll see in the states.

Jason Snyder, RHP – Snyder just needs to stay healthy to give himself a chance. His ceiling is probably as a back-end, spot starter or middle reliever, but a sound right arm has more juice in it than that.

Snyder is now 24 and has very little time to show the organization he can log innings and prove his worth, so look for the Utah native to start hot or fizz out – right out of the organization. I fully expect him to start the year in High Desert, but a strong showing could earn him a spot in AA by mid-season.

Sitting in the 90mph range with his fastball, Snyder looks to set up hitters for his potentially plus curve ball and a change that he is striving to develop into a useful offering. His command is still below average, however, which clouds up the results with his slightly above average stuff.

Welington Dotel, OF – Not a ton to say about Dotel except that he’s a bit fo a free swinger – surprise – and that he won’t don a uniform until June at the earliest after serving out his suspension for testing positive for a banned substance.

Dotel, 21, will have to massively cut into his strikeout rates to remain any sort of a prospect, but his power (7 HR, 23 XBH, .469 SLG @ PEORIA) is intriguing and he can hold down a corner outfield spot. The Dominican has average speed and average to below average tools across the board, but together as a package he’s somewhat interesting.

Fanning 69 times in 229 PAs is unacceptable and he’ll have a tough time in full-season ball without major improvements with his plate discipline.

Israel Nunez, C – Sometimes referred to as Francisco, Israel Nunez is a late-blooming backstop who put up plus offensive numbers in the VSL last summer. The 6-1, 205-pound Mexican-born catcher bats from the right side and hit .324/.420/.414 with 13 walks and just 10 strikeouts in 38 games.

That’s the good news.

The bad news is, he was 20 all season and turned 21 in September. His time is running out and it’s unclear whether he’ll hit the states this upcoming summer or not. The organization likes his physical ability but he hasn’t developed behind the dish as quickly as they would have liked.

Eddy Fernandez, LHP – Another Latin talent putting up good numbers but also running out of time… Fernandez is very intriguing and it’s a bit of a surprise that he didn’t taste the US last season.

At 20, the Dominican native went 8-2 with a 1.06 ERA including three complete games and a shutout. He logged 68 innings, giving up just 46 hits (.193 BAA) fanning 73 and walking just 10.

The club sees him as a reliever long-term, but he does seem to have the arm strength to go 6+, so their crystal ball is based on stuff and ability, not short-term durability.

Fernandez uses a fastball in the 86-89 range, touch 90 or 91 on rare occasions, and is complimented by a solid change and a slider that Fernandez is getting more and more comfortable with as times goes by. If he doesn’t get a shot in Peoria and/or Everett in 2007, he’s probably destined for the scrap heap with the likes of Craig Anderson, Troy Cate, Bobby Livingston, et al.

Miguel Marquez, RHP – Perhaps the first actual prospect in the group, Marquez features a four-seamer in the 88-91 range and split-finger that he’s been known to fall in love with and is still learning to command.The 19-year-old Venezuelan made 12 starts in the VSL last summer, tallying 56 2/3 innings and allowing 49 hits (no home runs). He struck out 53 but issued 29 walks.

His third pitch is a curve ball that’s morphing into a slider, but is still a ways from being useful. Marquez is certain to see time in the US this season, barring the usual concerns with visas and the sort.

His future is probably in a setup role, but he’s young enough to give him a chance to develop that third pitch and clean up his command as a starting pitcher.

Kallian Sams, OF – There’s not much available on Sams, except the M’s claim that he has the “athletic abilities you want in an outfielder, even if they are surrounded by raw baseball skills.”

Sams, 20 and from the Netherlands, is expected to bring his all-around game to Peoria this summer. I was told that he won’t get past the Cal League, so he’s truly one of those wait-and-see athletes who may or may not ever translate their big-time physical tools into baseball success.

Being 20 already doesn’t bode well for him, but at 6-3 and 220 pounds, he isn’t going to fail due to lack of strength.

Anthony Phillips, 2B – Phillips, 16, along with Sams, was just signed this past July and may also see time in Peoria, probably at second base. He’s listed at 5-9, which means he’s probably 5-7 3/4, so we’ll see how that turns out.

He’s said to have quite the swing and plays the game the way former (that hurts to say) M’s prospect Chris Snelling did. That is never a bad thing.

“Anthony showed great athleticism and instincts for the game at a very young age,” Mariners scout Pat Kelly told MLB.com. “His ability to switch hit and sure hands stood out in a youth tournament in Johannesburg, South Africa. He comes from a very athletic family that encourage him to follow his dreams in the hope of one day playing in the Major Leagues.”

Phillips, coincidentally, has been playing in the Major League Baseball Australian Baseball Academy in Queensland, Australia. He’s also been an avid competitor in badminton and rugby. Yes, I said badminton.

Gregorio Rosario, RHP – Rosario is the most projectable pitcher in this group at 6-4, 185 and just 18 years of age. He made 13 starts in the DSL a year ago and piled up 68 1/3 innings allowing 67 hits (2 HR), striking out 62 and issuing 25 walks.

Rosario’s fastball already sits in the 86-88 range with “acceptable” movement. As he matures physically, his velocity could reach into the low-to-mid 90s, setting up his breaking ball, which is an overhand curve.

His command isn’t where it needs to be, but he’s never struggled with it so much that he’ll need to be relegated to the bullpen anytime soon.

Rosario should join Marquez, among others, on Peoria’s staff this summer.

Chia-an Huang, RHP – This one is mystery. Tons of ability, built like a tank, hitting 90-93 as a teenager, but he’s yet to make an impact any level due to off field issues.

Huang can pitch, but it seems he can’t get on the field, or in the country, to use his fastball-slider-forkball combo on bats in the states. Even though he struggled in 32 1/3 innings in 2005, his stuff is much better than he displayed.

If he figures out his personal issues, the 6-2, 215-pound Taiwan native could be fun to watch.

Others: Bruno Mercedes, RHP; Michael Pineda, RHP; Jetsy Extrano, SS; Richard Ortiz, RHP; Nicomedes Gomez, OF; MycQuin Lora; Yovanny Olivero, RHP; Brett Bannister, RHP; Ariel Alcantara, RHP; Tony Bremon, RHP; Terry Serrano, SS; Carlos Ramirez, SS; Cesar Fuentes, SS; Jorge Agudelo, 2B; Ameilis Carvajal, SS; MycQuin Lora, OF; Aaron Thorne, RHP; Cristian Rijo, OF; Edilio Colina, 3B; Rey LeBron, OF; Eduardo Garcia, OF; Alejandro Garcia, OF; Jose Rios, LHP; Michael Saunders, RF; Julio Santiago, LHP; Chris Minaker, RHP; Manelik Pimintel, 1B; Jair Fernandez, C; Kameron Mickolio, RHP.

Thursday: Nos. 31-40, again unranked, but a little more in-depth and with more features such as ‘MLB ETA’ and a new one called ‘PI Prediction’. Nos 21-30 will be on Monday, maybe Saturday if I can get anything done while watching the NFL playoffs.


63 Responses to “2007 Prospect Rankings: 41-50”

  1. marc w. said

    Any chance they push Sams when SS ball opens up? Or do they want to keep in Peoria to teach him actual baseball skills to go with the great athletic talent he’s got?
    He seems less polished than Halman (if that’s possible), but at his age, I wonder if they’re going to rush him a bit.

    I’ll be really interested to see what happens with Phillips – probably the most intriguing guy on this list, though maybe I’m just wistful for anyone who reminds people of Snelling…

  2. I don’t think that’s too much — playing Sams in Everett or even full-season ball, at some point… cup of java-style call-up even.

    It seems like they are going to back off of the aggressive nature in the system, but personally, I think all they are going to do is calculate the risks more thoroughly.

  3. marc w. said

    Who’s got the best shot at seeing full-season ball this year (non-Snyder division)? Out of this group, it would seem that Fernandez, Nunez and maybe Huang might get a cup of coffee in Wisconsin or above. But then, they may want to keep a close eye on Huang in peoria.
    So who are you most excited about? Who might excel if they get challenged?

  4. I think Marquez, Sams, Phillips and Rosario are the most intriguing of the group, though Huang has the best pure arm of the pitchers.

    There are a few guys in the “others” category that are interesting, too, most of them position players.

    LeBron, Extrano, Lora and Serrano particularly.

  5. marc w. said

    Jetsy Extrano! Whooo! One of my favorite baseball names.
    Is he going to be in Peoria this year? What can you tell me about him and Lora?

  6. Extrano has a chance to become a decent prospect, as he’s just 18 and won’t be 19 until August, is a capable switch-hitter and has advanced plate discipline.

    He drew 32 walks against 28 strikeouts in the VSL last year and though he showed the typical teenage-middle infield lack of pop, he is just 18 and has a frame at 6-1 and 177 that can stand to gain some muscle and natural weight as he matures.

    He’s never going to be a big power threat and doesn’t have great speed, though he does grade above average with his feet.

    One scout that saw him play this past summer said this: “If he stays within his own abilities he might turn into a player. Tough to tell whether he’ll stay st shortstop but appears to have adequate arm strength for the position. He’ll have to hit, though, and it looks like he’s trying to lift the ball at times, which isn’t what you want your middle guys doing when their game is going to be about getting on base.”

    Lora is more of a project but the physical skills are there. At 6-4 and 190 pounds, the Dominican athletically profiles at a corner outfield spot if his bat develops. He struggled in 15 games in the DSL last year, but he wasn’t clueless at the plate, despite a .167 average — 6 for 36 with one XBH.

    He did draw six walks and if he can cut his swing down a bit, he could put up some numbers.

    These 16-20 year olds who have never played in the states are all projects, bigtime projects, so projecting their future is impossible.

    Scouts look for athletic ability first, with the offensive side dominating in a weighted grading system. If a 16-17 year old is already 6-2 and 180 pounds, he already has a big advantage over the others his age that aren’t as tall or built in the same manner.

    Teams truly look for the best athletes in these cases, and the Mariners have a decent crop, headlined by Halman, Triunfel and Martinez.

    Halman did tear up the Dutch leagues, but that’s not saying much. Scouting the Latin kids is pretty much like going to a HS JV game, picking out the fastest runners, the best arms, the strongest players, and ALMOST ignoring the results.

  7. Dave Cairns said


    What can you tell me about Aaron Thorne ? Another Australian with some hope.

    Thanks Dave.

  8. I can tell you he’s planning on pitching in 2007.

    I’ll actually be giving him a call here in the next few weeks to get an update. Last I heard he was feeling great and hitting the low 90s already.

  9. JH said

    Rosario still at 86-88? I heard he was up to 90-93 in the DSL last year, albeit from a questionable source.

    I’ve also heard that Fernandez pitches in the 86-87 range much more often than the 88-89 range, but his change just dominated people in the DSL. Really nice kid, so I’m definitely rooting for him to stick around for awhile.

  10. Lance said

    Great stuff, Jason.

    So, what’s going to be the deal with Huang in 2007? Seems last year he just disappeared from the face of the earth. He could have been dead, for what anyone knew. Did those things get sorted out, and is he back on track, again?

  11. I don’t know what the deal is, I’m going to have to place a timely call to the team to see if anyone knows.

    The last I asked about him, which was probably in August or September, he was expected to be available for 2007, but who knows.

    I’ll see what I can dig up.

  12. slim said

    In regards to the sidebar:

    I sure hope its Felix on Opening Day. I’ve gone to Opening Day every year for the last few years, but this year I’ve told myself that Opening Day is whenever Felix gets his first home start. But I can’t help thinking they’ll go with a veteran. Probably the most expensive veteran.

  13. Felix…Felix…Felix — with Jamie Moyer gone, there’s really no choice.

    I wonder how widely-covered that April 11 game will be, since it could start with a Matsuzaka vs. Ichiro at-bat. One of the games in the series almost certainly will start that way, either the 11th or 12th.

    Sidenote: do you think the M’s still have any interest in trading Beltre or Sexson? I’ve heard the Dodgers might want Beltre back…perhaps the M’s should look into trying to get a top prospect for him (Loney, LaRoche, etc…)?


  14. Grover keeps telling everyone that it “won’t be Felix” but it makes no sense not to go with him. Give the kid something to shoot for — holding up his end of the bargain as the club’s opening day starter.

    He’s the future of the organization, without a doubt. He’s got more than a year of big-league experience. He’s the best pitcher on the staff, even if he barely edges his performance of 2006. Jarrod Washburn is the only other guy that should be sniffing the discussion, and that would only be to avoid putting pressure on Hernandez.

    I say pressure, smessure. Put some pressure on the dude… make him nervous… because when he succeeds in those situations, the ONLY thing that can come of it is unlimited, boundless confidence.

    Plus, it’s ONE start. Not 33.

  15. C. Cheetah said

    Last year Felix was “restricted” to 200 innings. Have you heard what the number will be this year yet? Somehow, I’m beating it will be less than 220 TOTAL again – including spring training as last year…so thus I bet Washburn gets the nod…unfortunately.

  16. John Thomson signed with the Blue Jays, who out-bid the M’s and Mets for him.


  17. Gookie said

    jason, in all of your rankings, who stands out as the best hitter with a pure swing? Who would be your ibanez/snelling of the current minor leaguers/ prospects?

  18. Re: Felix/Wash

    If he’s at 220, which is about right, starting him or not on opening day will not have anything to do with his restrictions.

    That number is much easier to stay under than 210 – it’s more than a full start – and there are many, many other ways to make sure he doesn’t log too many frames… such as re-shuffling the rotation at the break, starting Felix in game 5 after the break, thus skipping him at least one start, as many as two, depending on where the rotation left off.

    Something they would have done a year ago if they were in the race is remove him from games a little earlier… instead of 7 innings, remove him after 6, and so on.

    Plus, the restrictions aren’t down to the out or anything… it’s just a general range. If they would have won the west last year, Felix would have made at least one postseason start, possibly as many as, what, four or five had they gone to the series? They would NOT have sat him down for the playoffs.

    Felix SHOULD certainly start opening day… for the first of at least a dozen OD starts by the ace.

  19. Gookie,

    At the conclusion of the rankings I will also toss out a list of the organizations best tools, including best hitter for power, average, best arm, etc…

    But to answer your question, Clement is probably that guy, though he doesn’t have the prettiest swing like a Mark Grace or Will Clark, that honor goes to Dobbs… but Clement is probably the best pure hitter of the bunch, even though I don’t see him as a true “pure” hitter who will hit .300+ every year.

    LaHair also has a nice swing, but the approach doesn’t fit the definition of a pure hitter.

    Burroughs has that in him, too, but he’s been so terrible since he made his MLB debut, he’s basically Greg Dobbs with a famous baseball father.

  20. JH said

    Alfredo Mateo also belongs on a list of interesting guys coming over to the states from the DSL team this year. Pretty bad approach at the plate, but bigtime lefty pull power. I like him more than Nunez, whose ceiling is basically Ron Garth.

  21. I heard the M’s like Mateo but not nearly as much as they already like Avila and Peguero. If it’s truly that big of a difference, Mateo isn’t a prospect at all.

    I think those I talked to were trying to cover up why Avila and Peguero are already here, not that there is anything anyone would do differently regarding both.

  22. JH said

    He’s definitely a bigtime longshot, but I’d still rate him above a guy like Nunez. Mateo at least has one bigtime tool – power – that could conceivably make him a major leaguer if he elevates the rest of his game, and he’s a capable defensive 3B.

    Nunez doesn’t. He’ll be a good organizational guy a la Garth/Robbie Hudson for a few years, but he’s not a major leaguer. He’s got a great nickname, though. They call him Borracho, because he walks like a drunk guy.

    What do you mean by covering for the fact that Avila/Peguero are already here? Apologizing for rushing them, or covering in advance for the over-aggressive Wisconson assingments they’re both almost certain to get?

  23. I added Nunez over others, like Mateo for example, because the team themselves mentioned him in higher regard. They comp’d Mateo to Juan Silvestre, if you remember him.

  24. J said

    Thirty home run, 2000 Cal League MVP Juan Silvestre.


    Mateo’s still a pretty young guy just turned 19 in September, so he should be able to make it to the Cal League before he’s 24, barring injuries, but still… Juan Silvestre… I still kind of cringe when I hear that name, moreso now that we have an affiliate in High Desert.

  25. One scout told me that Welington Dotel is one of at least 10 current international Mariner minor leaguers, all below AA, that the TEAM is aware was taking banned substances.

    Mateo and Eddy Fernandez were two of the rumored 10… these are third-party accusations, so I’m not going to ridicule anyone here, players nor organization, but this steroid/amphetamine thing is rampant. Worries me when kids are getting into it so early.

  26. Gookie said

    so where would clement rank in baseball as a overall prospect?

  27. JH said

    Steroids are absolutely huge in the Dominican Republic – you can get a steroid called Diomino used by veterenarians over the counter. It’s not just an organizational thing, but something in the federal law in the Dominican prohibits teams/baseball from issuing drug-related suspensions.

  28. SlackMan said

    What you say doesn’t surprise me, JH. The Dominican is a poor country and those guys who play baseball would love to come here and make alot of money and so they sometimes use steriods to give them an edge.

  29. J said

    While I don’t think that it’s all there is to the matter, I do think there’s something to the idea that supplements produced in those countries are done under less strict observation and could be “contaminated”, so to speak, fairly easily. Some Latin American players have cited this in their defense before, and I think some of them were probably telling the truth. Regardless, the steroid problem down there is a huge issue and something needs to be done about it.

  30. This just becomes a huge issue when players are ready to come to the states… they will be tested here.

  31. C. Cheetah said

    If a MLB team tests a minor league player for steroids, is that team required to tell Selig’s office, or can they “hide it” and try to get the guy clean before bringing the player to the US?

  32. There is no documentation that mandates the team to tell the MLB offices.

  33. john said

    Jason, in the future 40, why is Morse not thought of as a future starter, why is he thought of as a marginal prospect. From what I have seen of him while on the M’s he has done a very good job hitting, and can play a lot of different positions. Last season the M’s said that they saw his future as being the everyday left fielder. It seems to me like he could develop into a 30hr+ player. What do you think?

  34. While he can be placed at a lot of different positions, he can’t really play anywhere very well. At shortstop he lacks the range and footwork to play their pretty much ever, and he hasn’t played anywhere else enough to truly learn a different position to this point.

    Why is he a marginal prospect? Because nothing he’s ever done suggests otherwise, not even his .488 slugging percentage in the bigs last year.

    His career minor league numbers: .255/.312/.402

    So, a .714 career minor league OPS for a guy without a plus defensive tool?

    What Morse may be good at is situational play. Not necessarily pinch hitting, but including that as well. He did hit some a year ago, but his .488 SLG is deceiving because his IsoP was just .116 thanks to just 5 XBH in 48 PAs.

    If the M’s had a veteran bat off the bench to go with them, I’d be all over a Dobbs-Morse PH combo to fill out the reserves.

    Morse still has a little time to develop, too, and could get a little bit better in some areas, particularly on defense and in the form of better pitch recognition.

    But he’s not going to be a regular in the big leagues, and he should never play shortstop for more than an inning or two at a time, and even then it should only be in mop-up type scenarios.

  35. Jason, could you say that Mike Morse is the Power version of Willie Bloomquist?

  36. Gookie said

    can we afford to lose Dobbs?

  37. Goose said

    I don’t I’d shed any tears if some team claimed him. Though I don’t see any team out there that would really want him. Though who knows how much value that “sweet swing” has.

  38. Lance said

    I’m sure if Dobbs gets waived he’s gone. Pittsburgh or Cleveland would likely claim him just to name two.

  39. jp17 said

    Phillies pick up Dobbs.

  40. Goose said

    Pat Gillick collecting yet another Mariner castoff?

    I’m shocked!

  41. Baseballistic said

    The PECOTA predictions from Baseball Prospectus came out yesterday and their projections for the M’s new starting pitchers are, well, far from reassuring…

    Horacio Ramirez — 29 appearances (15 starts): 4-7 with a 5.19ERA (5.12EqERA), 1.56WHIP, 10.4H/9, 2.9BB/9, 3.8K/9, VORP 2.9

    Miguel Batista — 35 appearances (21 starts): 6-10 with a 5.02ERA (4.94EqERA), 1.55WHIP, 9.9H/9, 3.4BB/9, 4.5K/9, VORP 6.9

    Meanwhile, Rafael Soriano is looking good:
    52 appearances, 3.51ERA (3.55EqERA), 1.27WHIP, 7.8H/9, 3.0BB/9, 8.2K/9, VORP 15.3

    –the only consolation is that PECOTA is optimistic about King Felix’s 2007…9-8 with a 3.64ERA (3.63EqERA), 1.32WHIP, 8.2H/9, 3.0BB/9, 7.5K/9, VORP 30.5

  42. Re: Morse

    No, because Morse can’t play the defense nor run like Willie.

  43. Max said

    Great read and good stuff as usual DG.

  44. Goose said

    If there is one thing Bill Bavasi is good at, it’s locking up his good young players to good contracts, and he proved that yet again today, signing JJ Putz to a 3 year, $13.1M contract with an $8.6M option for 2010.


  45. tait644 said

    Is Putz technically a “young” player?

  46. Yeah – good thing he locked up Soriano and Snelling!

  47. Goose said

    Well I suppose not, but I would consider him part of the core.

  48. Lance said

    Why not waive Blackley or Morse over Dobbs? Seems they let a nice bench piece go for virtually nothing. Dobbs could have been useful for 2007. Who knows if Blackley or Morse will ever be useful? Or, at least, as much as Dobbs could have been?

  49. jp17 said

    Why not waive Blackley/Morse over Dobbs?

    Few reasons.

    1. Sean Burroughs
    2. Already have two potential LH bats on the bench in Reed and Broussard
    3. Morse has more upside than Dobbs
    4. Blackley has more upside than Dobbs

  50. Lance said

    Assuming you’re not Jason, but just someone who wants to interject their views:

    1. Burroughs has never shown he can pinch-hit, or do much of anything on the big league level. No reason, yet, to dump Dobbs for.
    2. Reed as PHer? Even so, I could have easily seen a Reed/Dobbs combo on the bench with Bloomquist and a backup catcher. There was room for both guys. And, at $3.55 mil, isn’t Broussard a little expensive for a left-handed pinch-hitter?
    3. What has Mike Morse shown so that anyone should believe he has a better upside than Dobbs? Dobbs has, at the very least, become a .320 AAA hitter. Morse struggles to hit .250 doing the same thing. Just because someone has an Arod body doesn’t mean he has Arod skills.
    4. Blackley is just another soft-tossing lefty. With shoulder injury history, at that. Dime a dozen. And, he’d have probable cleared waivers, anyway.

  51. I have a hard time believing the Mariners, of all teams, are spending 3.5 mil on a bench bat. Broussard is not going to be a bench bat, if he’s here in the first place.

    If he stays, he at least platoons somewhere.

    I don’t think Burroughs has anything to do with Dobbs – yet.

  52. nighthawk180 said

    To add on the question of why Dobbs I’m gonna go another way and ask why wasnt he traded along with Broussard for more pitching and possibly a bench bat at a cheaper price? Granted it’s not really that easy to make that trade but wouldnt have been better than just letting him go.

  53. nighthawk180 said

    Sorry back to back posts but if your gonna risk losing a player you might as well get something in return right?

  54. What are ya gonna get a for Greg Dobbs? Seriously, the Mariners would have gotten the pitching equivalent of Dobbs: an arm without much value to the team at all. Someone that would have been overly repetitive in their system, like all the lefties that can’t break single pane windows with their heaters.

    What’s the point? besides, they would have preferred to keep Dobbs, but weren’t worried if they lost him. He’s redundant, not very good anyways, and easily replaceable, as would have been the return for him.

    And what team gives away pitching of value for Greg Dobbs and Ben Broussard? Yer looking at another Andrew Baldwin at best.

  55. etowncoug said

    Interesting thought on Broussard…

    There are only two spots where Broussard could play in a platoon situation 1B and DH. Are you suggesting Sexson could be on his way out?

  56. Edgar said

    I would guess that every ballclub could find a guy in their organization who is a lefty 3B/1B that can’t hit for power.

  57. Lance said

    Fine, nothing wrong with that. But, we had one and then gave it away. So, now, it’s everyteam less one, the Mariners.

  58. Edgar said

    I’m ok with that because the only way he deserved to be on the team is if everyone else was bad.

  59. Jerry said


    Dobbs and Burroughs are very similar types of players:

    -both lefty hitters

    -both have little to no power

    -both play 3B and can fill in at the other corners

    But Burroughs is better. Here’s why:

    -he is younger

    -he is a much better defensive player

    -he is a much better hitter, having more success at every level than Dobbs has, and doing so at a much younger age

    -Burroughs is an ex-top prospect. There is a small nugget of upside left. Not the case with Dobbs.

    Neither player is an impact guy by any means. But Burroughs is better in pretty much every part of the game. He is a small upgrade.

    Thus, we just trade in one player for a very similar player who is clearly better. What’s wrong with that?

  60. Lance said

    I agree that neither is an impact player. It’s about being a useful piece. Nothing more, I’d say. I hope Burroughs has a good spring, and proves useful. Because, other than an expensive Ben Broussard, I’m not seeing a backup plan.

  61. Baseballistic said

    I wonder if the Jeff Weaver addition (if it happens) could be a pre-cursor to a much bigger move, like a trade in which the M’s package Sexson or Broussard and prospect(s) for a top-prospect or decent ML’er.

  62. The only excess created by a Weaver addition is from one of the following three guys – Baek, Woods or maybe HoRam.

    Including one of those guys with Broussard or Sexson doesn’t raise the ante much. If they include Feierbend, maybe the deal gets done, but that’s a possibility already.

  63. Sexson can be traded at any point, yes, but it appears that he’ll at least start the season as a Mariner

    And when I said two bats short, it was just a blanket statement. I don’t see two bats out there that are both available and make sense at the same time.

    The M’s, as is, are two middle of the order bats away from having a GOOD offense. Maybe a #3 hitter and a #4 or 5 hitter.

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